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I want to ask
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what the psychiatrist was doing
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in the mortuary the other night.
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What happened to you as a child
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was not your fault.
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It's possible you have developed
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other personalities as a way to cope.
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Can you come with me so
I can get your fingerprints?
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Are you sleeping with my wife?
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I can't help you. I barely know your wife.
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Yes, we've been looking into the deaths
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of two former residents
of Ledford House.
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After she disappeared,
the police were contacted.
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They reached out to us
at the time and we did nothing.
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Can you swim?
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We need to talk.
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You can't look for Martin.
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You hurt him.
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His feet are dirty.
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Can I wash them?
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Sometimes children have trouble
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with the concept of time.
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Such as when or
how often something occurred.
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They often think that grownups
already know everything
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they might have to say,
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and are more inclined
to omit sexual details
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than place particular stress on them.
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Our memories are intimately
connected to our perceptions.
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What we see, hear and feel.
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One clinical example is a teenage girl
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who smells her boyfriend's semen...
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and realises that this isn't the first time
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she's encountered that smell.
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And that instigates a process
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through which she comes to remember
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her father's abuse of her.
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In an incestuous family,
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the boundaries between
adults and children
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are unclear and hazy.
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All needs are satisfied within the family.
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The daughter often
switches roles with the mother
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and might replace her
in the kitchen, for instance,
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but also in the bed.
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The family does everything together
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and, from the outside,
looks like the ideal family.
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There are many ways to cry...
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noisily...
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quietly...
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- or not at all.
- Or not at all.
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Come on, you.
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Teatime.
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Sit.
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Would you like some milk?
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Say when.
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Excuse the fingers.
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Tea?
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What do you want?
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Because we can talk if you like.
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I do wanna talk.
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Okay.
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But this time...
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I wanna talk about
what's going on inside...
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your head.
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That's crazy.
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I don't think you're supposed to say that.
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No, I'm not. I'm... I apologise.
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Don't worry.
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I mean, you're not very well.
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You've had quite bad headaches
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and blackouts recently, haven't you?
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How do you know?
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Have you been following me
to my hospital appointments?
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I do follow you. Sort of.
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Then you'll know that
I'm completely well.
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I just...
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- I just don't feel like myself.
- Like myself.
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Do you know why you feel strange?
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It's because you're not you.
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You're not a person.
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Are you trying to scare me?
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No.
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I wrote notes on my notes
that you wrote, to help you.
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I saw.
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We wrote them... together in a way.
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There are notes
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for both of us to try and understand
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what part we play in...
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being.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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What if it's you who needs help?
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No, I'm the therapist. You're the patient.
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Okay. You're being a bit loud.
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Actually...
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the A.N.P. is always louder.
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It's not your fault, but you
have ended up being
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quite a loud person.
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Why did you just call me an A.N.P.?
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Because you are one.
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See, I don't think you know
what that means.
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I know what it means.
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Do you know what it means?
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Do you think the memories you're having
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are just memories of my memories
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that I've told you about?
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Er...
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That's a bit crazy, isn't it?
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Yeah, I can't remember things
that didn't happen to me.
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Exactly.
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Look, I want you to get out
of my house now, Victoria.
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I actually really like and respect you.
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I do.
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I didn't bring you here to argue.
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I'm grateful to you
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because you've done a lot of very
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boring stuff for me.
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The parts of being a person
that I actually find very hard.
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Like wearing normal clothes
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and using all the hair products
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and making reservations
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and turning up to things
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and being nice and polite
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and quite sort of...
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attractive.
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I mean, quite sexy sometimes.
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And, you know, I actually, I, er...
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I really appreciate it.
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But now I'm just not gonna have
someone doing that anymore.
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Because I, er...
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Yeah, I don't think I need it.
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But you have done a really...
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really good job. I mean, seriously...
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I am your therapist.
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I work with you.
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You also work
for other people, don't you?
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Yes, I have other clients.
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Not them.
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The people who think they're
more important than me.
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The people who want to control us.
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They try to make us forget the truth
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so we don't report them.
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I don't know who you mean.
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You've also let things
slip a bit, haven't you?
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Yeah.
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People are starting to see
behind the mask sometimes.
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I mean, don't you think?
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Do you wanna call your therapist?
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Yes.
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Sorry. You can't.
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Then please, can I leave?
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You probably won't ever
leave this flat again.
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Whatever you do to me,
you do to yourself.
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I created you.
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Do you mind if I have another tea?
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Why would I mind?
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Well, you might not be able to sleep
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if I have one this late.
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Wha... What?
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You need to be able to rest.
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Because I want you to understand
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what's gonna happen.
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I'm giving you time to prepare.
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Wait, please.
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Wait, there's something
you should know.
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Something important.
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Please wait.
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I'm going to write it down,
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so you can see it.
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In case I'm not here.
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It might make a difference
to what you decide to do.
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Get a grip.
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You're an absolute fucking babe.
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Did CCTV lose White?
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Yes, we lost him down by the docks.
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Morning, ma'am.
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Er, uniforms all over it.
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He must have had a car.
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Er, does anybody have, like,
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a breakfast bar for me to eat, please?
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I'm not sure paracetamol
counts as a snack.
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No, it's a serious medicine.
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Until you're my age,
and then it is a snack.
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Jeanette...
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What's this?
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We've got a match.
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The half-burnt Jerry can from
the Burkeman house, it's...
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it's a match to prints
that we've got in the system.
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It's... it's saying it's a match
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for a Dr Sophia Craven.
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That doesn't seem... Mi... Mike?
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I took the prints carefully.
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Okay, let me just... let me just...
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Er... let me just, er...
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Fucking think for a fucking minute.
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We have to work with the clues we have,
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not the clues you would prefer to have
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because it would make more
sense to you, Jeanette.
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Yeah, no, no, no, no. I understand that.
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And I, I... I agree with you.
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It's, it's just...
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She's on the phone.
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Answer it!
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I am 100% sure that Sophia,
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you know, was not involved
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in the murder of Ben Burkeman.
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I'm sorry. I just...
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I'm allowed to say
what my gut instinct is.
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The evidence would suggest
otherwise, detective.
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So, you need to consider
why Sophia Craven
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might want to kill one of
Victoria Burkeman's parents.
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Whatever your next move is,
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you make it the right one.
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Because Victoria's next move
could be her endgame.
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Fuck.
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Maybe Sophia came
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looking for you at the mortuary.
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No.
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Could she be working
with Eva? Helping her?
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Eva reported her, so no.
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Her own line of interest or enquiry?
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What, with dead people?
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Did you review her psych assessments?
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Yeah, there's nothing
we don't already know.
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There's a fuck of a lot
we don't know, Mike.
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After Victoria left the Burkemans, did she
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seek out any other type
of treatment before Sophia?
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If she did, it was off book.
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Private or some other service provider.
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Or was there anything
at Victoria's old flat
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that would suggest Sophia's
treatment of Victoria was...
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unorthodox.
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No.
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But we weren't looking for it.
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I can go back. I can look again.
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Yeah, look again.
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I'm gonna call the lab,
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have them talk me through it.
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Doesn't make sense.
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I just don't believe
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Sophia could have been
at the Burkemans.
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There's something
we don't understand here,
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that we just don't understand.
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Makes your brain hurt.
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The fuck?
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Bristol Infirmary.
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Yeah, Dr Sophia Craven.
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Could I be put through to
the psychiatric unit, please?
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Yeah. Just please hold.
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Psychiatric unit.
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Yes, I have a patient in need
of urgent medical care.
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She needs sectioning today.
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She's at risk of harming
herself and others.
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Name of patient.
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Sophia Craven.
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Patient, not the doctor.
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It's for me.
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Hello? Hello, are... are you there?
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Time to go.
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There's something
you're gonna wanna see.
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What am I looking at?
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Psych report after her first evaluation.
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Much later when she was at university.
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But before Sophia,
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there was someone else.
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What the fuck?
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Come on.
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Doctor, the police are here,
regarding an old patient.
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Client. We say client.
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Yes, of course.
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Sorry, you have told me before.
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Thank you, nurse.
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You can shut the door on the way out.
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She has undiagnosed depression,
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almost certainly, possibly,
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early onset Alzheimer's.
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I do wish she'd get
some proper treatment
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and make all our lives a little easier, but...
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no one has time
for themselves anymore.
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So we just carry on until we drop dead.
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Please, come in. Sit down.
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Thank you.
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Hi, I'm DCI Jeanette Kilburn,
and this is...
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I'm DC Mike Dilliston.
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Are you Dr Sophia Craven?
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Yes.
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We want to talk to you about one of your
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former clients from about 15 years ago,
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Victoria Burkeman.
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Do you remember her?
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Yes, Victoria.
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Yes, of course.
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Keeping an eye on everyone?
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That's your job.
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People can do what they like,
as far as I'm concerned.
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You may have seen on the news
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that Victoria's wanted for questioning
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regarding four murders
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and the placing of dead bodies
around Bristol.
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Right.
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You don't seem surprised.
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Yes and no.
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Many things are possible.
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Could we ask you what your
main area of discussion was
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in your sessions with her at the time?
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Yes.
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Victoria had a long history
of family abuse.
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During that abuse,
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she became pregnant.
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Am I remembering correctly?
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No. A child was born in 2007,
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but that was her sister Madeleine.
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No. Victoria had a baby in 2007.
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Her parents told her the baby died.
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Given the history of sexual abuse,
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if it was Victoria who had the baby,
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perhaps the Burkemans lied to her
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and told her the baby was dead,
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but that they, in fact,
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kept the baby and raised it on their own.
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Such things happen.
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That would mean that
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Madeleine was Victoria's child.
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Madeleine...
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does she suspect that
Victoria may be her mother?
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Madeleine was murdered.
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We believe Ben Burkeman killed her.
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That's devastating.
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If Ben Burkeman was her grandfather,
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then who was her father?
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00:26:30,965 --> 00:26:33,758
It's possible Ben Burkeman
was Madeleine's father,
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and her grandfather.
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Meaning she was Victoria's half-sister,
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and her daughter.
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We will check.
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00:26:47,241 --> 00:26:48,517
Poor Victoria.
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She had, and very likely still has,
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as there is no cure,
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a condition called D.I.D.
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Dissociative Identity Disorder.
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Some people call it
Multiple Personality Disorder,
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people outside of the field.
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00:27:07,241 --> 00:27:09,034
She had a number of alters.
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Mary Magdalene was one,
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and another was animalistic,
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non-human.
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A crow.
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Some were key players,
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others were bit parts
in the D.I.D. system.
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But each was formed
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as a response to moments of trauma.
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It was not her fault that she was unwell.
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00:27:39,241 --> 00:27:42,000
This condition can be created by others,
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by their abuse.
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Abusers can benefit
from the D.I.D. system,
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and its alters
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can be designed and curated
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by the abuser
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as a way of protecting themselves
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against the authorities
and controlling the victim.
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00:28:02,034 --> 00:28:04,517
They can help create an alter
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whose job it is to deny
any abuse took place,
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00:28:10,275 --> 00:28:13,206
or be totally unaware of the abuse.
363
00:28:13,931 --> 00:28:16,758
This can be done by a trigger word,
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00:28:17,482 --> 00:28:18,724
a rhyme,
365
00:28:19,482 --> 00:28:20,551
or even a game.
366
00:28:21,137 --> 00:28:22,241
Do you have a daughter?
367
00:28:25,241 --> 00:28:26,620
Do you have a daughter?
368
00:28:26,724 --> 00:28:30,000
Or do you have a niece
also called Dr Craven?
369
00:28:33,137 --> 00:28:34,817
I thought she might do
something like this.
370
00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:37,448
Like what?
371
00:28:38,448 --> 00:28:40,000
Do you have a photo of her?
372
00:28:47,068 --> 00:28:48,068
Yes.
373
00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:50,413
Can I see it?
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00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:25,172
I can see what she's done with the hair.
375
00:29:28,655 --> 00:29:29,689
And the clothes.
376
00:29:31,206 --> 00:29:32,965
Can you explain that to me, please?
377
00:29:34,482 --> 00:29:36,896
This is a photograph
of Victoria Burkeman.
378
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Are you sure?
379
00:29:44,689 --> 00:29:45,827
Dr Craven...
380
00:29:46,413 --> 00:29:49,448
could you tell us a little bit
more about D.I.D., please?
381
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Certainly.
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00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:57,620
People with D.I.D. can create an A.N.P.,
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00:29:58,793 --> 00:30:02,034
an "Apparently Normal Personality,"
384
00:30:03,379 --> 00:30:07,034
that can steer the ship
of the D.I.D. system
385
00:30:07,931 --> 00:30:09,655
and run the body full time.
386
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:12,724
It seems
387
00:30:13,275 --> 00:30:17,448
that Victoria probably
created an A.N.P. on me.
388
00:30:18,689 --> 00:30:20,758
My... my God.
389
00:30:21,965 --> 00:30:23,586
It's not that unusual.
390
00:30:24,551 --> 00:30:25,586
Okay.
391
00:30:30,965 --> 00:30:32,103
Sorry.
392
00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:38,793
I, er...
393
00:30:46,103 --> 00:30:49,689
Would this Sophia know that she was...
394
00:30:54,103 --> 00:30:56,310
Would this Sophia know
that she was an alter,
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00:30:56,965 --> 00:30:58,586
or an A.N.P.?
396
00:30:59,068 --> 00:31:00,379
Probably not.
397
00:31:01,620 --> 00:31:03,344
And it's actually very clever.
398
00:31:04,482 --> 00:31:05,827
Because it means Victoria
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00:31:05,931 --> 00:31:08,896
has her therapist with her at all times.
400
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,758
She can, in a sense,
401
00:31:11,862 --> 00:31:13,931
take over the treatment of herself.
402
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:17,000
But she can also...
403
00:31:18,724 --> 00:31:19,724
What?
404
00:31:19,827 --> 00:31:22,448
She may also just decide
405
00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:25,241
to skip the therapeutic method
406
00:31:25,344 --> 00:31:30,793
and try to get rid of all the alters herself.
407
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,586
Stop, stop.
408
00:31:38,931 --> 00:31:40,000
How would she do that?
409
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,965
Yeah. Yes. We're leaving now.
410
00:31:46,965 --> 00:31:48,620
What a fucking shitshow.
411
00:31:49,448 --> 00:31:50,862
My fucking God.
412
00:31:51,655 --> 00:31:52,896
What the fuck is wrong with me?
413
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,182
Look, that's not gonna help right now.
414
00:31:54,206 --> 00:31:55,566
No, no, Mike, you don't understand
415
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:57,517
the degree of head-fuckery
I've been a part of.
416
00:31:57,620 --> 00:31:59,000
I am... I am knee-deep.
417
00:31:59,103 --> 00:32:01,103
I am... No, waist-deep in shit.
418
00:32:01,206 --> 00:32:03,034
I've blown up my entire
fucking life for what?
419
00:32:03,137 --> 00:32:05,206
For... for a couple of shags and a kebab?
420
00:32:06,482 --> 00:32:07,482
You slept with Sophia?
421
00:32:07,586 --> 00:32:08,793
Yes, many, many times.
422
00:32:10,379 --> 00:32:13,275
Er... Look, look.
423
00:32:13,379 --> 00:32:15,379
Let's talk to Verity.
424
00:32:15,482 --> 00:32:17,827
I've corrupted the case. I've been lied to.
425
00:32:18,551 --> 00:32:21,137
I have been groomed into
only seeing one thing
426
00:32:21,241 --> 00:32:23,010
when the truth has been
staring me in the fucking face.
427
00:32:23,034 --> 00:32:25,034
And it is so messy and strange,
428
00:32:25,137 --> 00:32:26,424
because it makes a liar out of me
429
00:32:26,448 --> 00:32:28,172
even though I haven't lied. I swear.
430
00:32:28,275 --> 00:32:31,862
It is possible, like Dr Craven said, that...
431
00:32:32,758 --> 00:32:36,206
Sophia doesn't know
she's an alter or the A.N.P.
432
00:32:36,827 --> 00:32:38,079
She might not know she lied to you.
433
00:32:38,103 --> 00:32:40,343
She might be telling the truth
as far as she understands.
434
00:32:40,586 --> 00:32:41,793
Don't call Verity, okay.
435
00:32:41,896 --> 00:32:43,336
I wanna to talk to her face-to-face.
436
00:32:44,517 --> 00:32:45,931
- Sorry.
- Sorry what?
437
00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:48,068
She's on the line.
438
00:32:48,172 --> 00:32:49,172
She's on the...
439
00:32:50,448 --> 00:32:51,976
Jeanette, we need
to make an arrest now.
440
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,862
I know that! I know that!
441
00:32:53,965 --> 00:32:55,000
Fuck you.
442
00:32:55,655 --> 00:32:57,034
We're on our way. Meet us there.
443
00:33:05,344 --> 00:33:07,379
Come on now.
444
00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:08,896
Come on, now.
445
00:33:10,586 --> 00:33:11,827
Alex, not a good time.
446
00:33:11,931 --> 00:33:13,448
Look, sorry. It's about Sophia.
447
00:33:13,827 --> 00:33:14,947
I went to see her yesterday,
448
00:33:15,034 --> 00:33:16,562
and I wanted you to know
it wasn't normal.
449
00:33:16,586 --> 00:33:17,862
She was behaving...
450
00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:19,586
strangely. Very weird.
451
00:33:19,689 --> 00:33:20,803
Yeah, I'm... I'm dealing with it.
452
00:33:20,827 --> 00:33:21,941
I just don't trust her, Jeanette.
453
00:33:21,965 --> 00:33:23,896
Something's very off. I'm serious.
454
00:33:24,482 --> 00:33:25,493
Yeah, you're right. I'm sorting it.
455
00:33:25,517 --> 00:33:26,724
Sorting it?
456
00:33:26,827 --> 00:33:28,000
How though, Jeanette?
457
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:29,655
Blue lights, two units,
458
00:33:29,758 --> 00:33:31,458
knocking-the-fucking-door-
down type sorting it.
459
00:33:31,482 --> 00:33:32,655
Okay. Shit.
460
00:33:32,758 --> 00:33:33,862
Jojo okay?
461
00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:35,965
He's fine. We're fine.
462
00:33:36,068 --> 00:33:38,517
Good. That's good. Er...
463
00:33:39,689 --> 00:33:41,896
- Look, Alex...
- It's okay. I know.
464
00:33:44,068 --> 00:33:45,517
- I'm here.
- Thanks.
465
00:33:45,620 --> 00:33:47,517
- I'll call you later, okay?
- Okay.
466
00:34:16,034 --> 00:34:17,068
No!
467
00:34:52,931 --> 00:34:54,482
So, how are you, Victoria?
468
00:34:59,758 --> 00:35:00,827
I'm okay.
469
00:35:02,103 --> 00:35:03,103
How are you?
470
00:35:03,655 --> 00:35:05,034
I'm very well.
471
00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:06,379
Thank you for asking.
472
00:35:07,206 --> 00:35:09,482
Last time we talked about
some of the difficulties
473
00:35:09,586 --> 00:35:12,724
you were having navigating
the business of being alive.
474
00:35:13,689 --> 00:35:15,068
A lot of it's unbearable.
475
00:35:17,931 --> 00:35:19,137
I don't know how people cope.
476
00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:21,827
Do you think some people just
477
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,103
grin and bear it?
478
00:35:25,103 --> 00:35:26,172
They must.
479
00:35:27,758 --> 00:35:28,862
Or perhaps,
480
00:35:29,241 --> 00:35:33,413
some people don't feel things
as deeply as you do?
481
00:35:36,379 --> 00:35:37,448
Maybe.
482
00:35:40,517 --> 00:35:44,034
Do you find it helpful
talking in these sessions?
483
00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:46,827
Yes, very.
484
00:35:48,172 --> 00:35:50,137
What is it that you find helpful?
485
00:35:53,206 --> 00:35:54,241
I like talking to someone
486
00:35:54,344 --> 00:35:55,864
who seems to have their life in order.
487
00:35:57,689 --> 00:35:59,137
Order is important to you?
488
00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:02,551
Order's important to me now.
489
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:05,482
I don't think it was before.
490
00:36:07,689 --> 00:36:09,586
You want to be more organised?
491
00:36:11,275 --> 00:36:12,655
I want to be more organised.
492
00:36:13,724 --> 00:36:15,344
You are doing really well.
493
00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:17,482
Thank you.
494
00:36:18,448 --> 00:36:19,793
I'm doing really well.
495
00:36:23,275 --> 00:36:25,793
Are you repeating everything I say?
496
00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:28,379
No. Sorry. I...
497
00:36:30,172 --> 00:36:31,758
I like your intonation.
498
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:33,758
Is that the word? The...
499
00:36:34,896 --> 00:36:36,655
sort of melody of the way you speak.
500
00:36:38,896 --> 00:36:39,965
I find it relaxing.
501
00:36:41,482 --> 00:36:44,344
Er, sorry, one moment. I've got to, er...
502
00:36:44,689 --> 00:36:46,344
I actually have to leave early today.
503
00:36:46,448 --> 00:36:49,000
No, wait. We can continue.
504
00:36:49,103 --> 00:36:50,103
Next time.
505
00:36:54,241 --> 00:36:55,310
Thank you for the session.
506
00:37:01,413 --> 00:37:03,103
Dr Sophia Craven speaking.
507
00:37:04,586 --> 00:37:06,620
Dr Sophia Craven speaking.
508
00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:55,137
Sophia!
509
00:38:55,965 --> 00:38:56,965
It's Jeanette.
510
00:38:57,068 --> 00:38:58,758
I'm with the police. Open the door!
511
00:39:03,724 --> 00:39:04,931
They wanna come in.
512
00:39:05,344 --> 00:39:07,827
They wanna talk to you.
I wanna talk to you, Sophia.
513
00:39:09,793 --> 00:39:10,827
Sophia!
514
00:39:11,896 --> 00:39:12,896
That's enough, Jeanette.
515
00:39:13,379 --> 00:39:14,517
Go ahead.
516
00:39:14,931 --> 00:39:16,758
Police! Show yourself!
517
00:39:16,862 --> 00:39:17,862
- Police!
- Police!
518
00:39:17,965 --> 00:39:18,965
- Police!
- Sophia!
519
00:39:19,068 --> 00:39:20,724
- Police!
- Show yourself. Police!
520
00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:22,379
- Police! Show yourself!
- Police!
521
00:39:30,103 --> 00:39:31,206
Jeanette.
522
00:39:40,137 --> 00:39:41,206
Just me.
523
00:41:20,827 --> 00:41:22,482
This is my fault.
524
00:41:34,896 --> 00:41:36,000
So this...
525
00:41:37,206 --> 00:41:39,103
This was Sophia?
526
00:41:41,379 --> 00:41:42,448
Not Victoria?
527
00:41:44,344 --> 00:41:46,551
Sophia is Victoria.
528
00:41:48,827 --> 00:41:50,620
Fucking hell, Jeanette.
529
00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:52,448
Ma'am.
530
00:41:54,241 --> 00:41:55,448
I know...
531
00:42:03,413 --> 00:42:08,586
Mike, give me the back of
a fag packet version, now.
532
00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:12,551
If Sophia is just
the A.N.P. running the system,
533
00:43:14,793 --> 00:43:18,137
how... how can I talk to Victoria?
534
00:43:21,827 --> 00:43:23,413
The general idea is
535
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,586
you have to call them out.
536
00:43:30,689 --> 00:43:32,034
Are you listening, Jeanette?
537
00:43:32,137 --> 00:43:33,896
Calling th... Calling them out?
538
00:43:36,172 --> 00:43:37,517
I am... I jus...
539
00:43:38,862 --> 00:43:40,206
You seem a little distracted.
540
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:44,379
I just... I am dis... What?
541
00:43:45,241 --> 00:43:46,896
If you want to call her out,
542
00:43:48,206 --> 00:43:50,793
you have to say her name with purpose.
543
00:43:51,862 --> 00:43:55,413
As if you knew her and
have always known her.
544
00:43:58,034 --> 00:44:02,448
As if you understand her
and care for her.
545
00:44:06,482 --> 00:44:08,586
As if, in a way,
546
00:44:09,862 --> 00:44:10,862
you love her...
547
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in a way that's real and genuine.
548
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So...
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Victoria!
550
00:44:33,206 --> 00:44:34,413
Jeanette?
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Fuck!